Disseminating the Fourth Way Today – Fabrizio

Asaf Braverman, California
Gurdjieff Fabrizio Rome

Fabrizio Agozzino contributes posts on ggurdjieff.it and manages the discussion on the Italian Fourth Way Facebook page.  I asked Fabrizio about his experience working with people interested in the Fourth Way, and found his answers to be relevant to all readers:

How many people interested in the Fourth Way have you communicated online with in the last six months?

Fabrizio - Gurdjieff ItalyThere are many people who have shown interest in the Fourth Way. Some of our Facebook posts are read by over 2000 people in one day. Roughly, I would say that less than 1% of the people who follow us on Facebook leave a comment on our page, and when this happens it is usually to emphasize something they don’t like. There are happy exceptions of people who value and appreciate our efforts, and express it with “likes” or short messages. Most people who have something to say prefer to email me directly, and these communications often develop to be the most interesting conversations, more intimate than commenting on Facebook. A Chinese proverb says that a falling tree makes more noise than a growing forest.

What was a common obstacles you observed in them, which was difficult for them to see?

One of the biggest obstacles for those who have a certain spiritual sensitivity is to know what to believe. In most cases, these people have experienced higher internal states. These profound experiences, that have changed their lives, should encourage them to continue on the road to awakening, but they often become hindrances. Their higher experience becomes corrupted with imagination and expectation. Only few people fully understand the desperate internal situation in which we live. Ouspesnky said man didn’t realize that he lived in a house on fire. Few feel the heat of the flames, and even fewer take measures to escape.

Which principle is the most difficult for you to convey to your readers?

The reality that there are several “centers” or “functions” that perform all the work of the human machine. Gurdjieff and Ouspensky divided them into five lower centers and two higher centers. The five lower centers are the instinctive center, moving center, intellectual center, emotional center and sex center. The two higher centers are higher emotional and higher intellectual.

Internally, there are at least two aspects of the emotional center and the instinctive center that are distinct obstacles to awakening. We could say that they are like two jealous guardians protective of what they consider to be their “home.” They consider higher centers an unwelcome guest, like the cat and fox in Pinocchio. These are the seven of hearts and the nine of clubs.

The seven of hearts is probably the most difficult to explain and understand. The ‘I’s of the seven of hearts seem so right, so appropriate to awakening, so real and genuine, that only experience and impartiality towards oneself can observe them objectively.

How many people with whom you interacted on Facebook were different, and in what way?

They were different in their gratitude. Those who are grateful for what they receive have the opportunity to appreciate and value even more. Of course, appreciation without practice is not worth much, but it can be the beginning of something real. Without gratitude and appreciation, there is no possibility of inner development.


“Only a man’s attitude to the work, to school, His valuation of the work, and his realization of the mechanicalness and aimlessness of everything else, can create in him a permanent center of gravity.” – George Gurdjieff